Karl Renz: No, I am joining more that absolute peace which never demands any “now” or anything. It can be not in the now, in the now later or in the now before, or in the now over over, somewhere. Really there is a carelessness of that which cannot care less.

And that is not something new. This is like – is what I am without becoming and going, and anything. So, it’s not something what I have to care about. So that caretaker, that phantom what you just produced who cares about his daily and progress of some, it’s like a phantom caring about a phantom life. And I have nothing against it. Let the phantom do what the phantom likes to do. Thinking having a progress, having birthday or anything, thinking he is born. So what. What to do.

But I tell you happiness is not it.

Question: Happiness is not it?

Karl Renz: No, there is no happiness in it. This is maybe a reflection of it. But not happiness. Happiness is not what you can experience. It’s not an ex-perience. Is what you are. And that happiness never demands any kind of now or any progress of any kind of happy body or not.

So I would never swap that happiness what is what I am to that relative whatever you call it. Me in the now or me in the now later or something.

So that I talk about, that there is no bridge between that both. When you are that what is That, there is the doubtlessness of existence which is happiness itself and cannot be compared with anything. But what you try to do is comparing. More now or less in the now. Or feeling better or not feeling good, or all that. And all that whatever is depending on one. Who is alive, who is born. Who has his life. And comparing and whatever.

That I just want to paint two sides, to make two paintings. And I just maybe make you more attractive to that one. Because that is, nothing is more attractive then That – to be what you are. That is the treasure you are. And to treasure yourself is to be the treasure. And to be it, it means – you cannot gain it.

And there is the peace in it which is uncomparable with anything. Whatever you have experienced before. So, any questions about that.

Question: Why this fear comes? Because of our past experiences? Why these fears next…

Karl Renz: No one knows where it comes from. It’s already there when you wake up. It doesn’t come. It’s the nature of two. The nature of an experiencer who is different from what he is experiencing. There is fear.

False evidence appearing real. That’s call fear – false evidence appearing real. The false evidence that there is two appearing real. That’s called fear. And even if you try to overcome it, you want to stop it – you confirm that there is fear. You have to be what you are in the presence of fear and in the absence of fear. As you are in the presence and in the absence of anything – you are.

So there is fear. And in fear you may call this presence of whatever presence, there is fear. That is false evidence. The false experience of separation. But you cannot stop it. It will always be there. In any experience there is two. So, you are in the presence of that and you are in the absence of that. So, that phantom experience of separation you cannot stop. And who needs to stop it?

And then you may ask – why is it there? Yeah, why not. This is just the way you experience yourself. And you cannot change it. You try all what can you do, you try to stop. You want to make oneness out of separation. But as you want to make oneness out of separation, you confirm that there is separation. There is some truth in it. So, whatever you do against it is for it. Fantastic. This trap is so fantastic perfect in its nature as you are. Absolute trap. And no way out.

And I sit here and tell you – you have to be What you are in spite of the presence or absence of anything, as you are already. And that you cannot not be. And this whatever, this relative experience of separation will always be there if you like it or not. Call it hell, call it whatever.

And hell and heaven, the heaven of oneness and the hell of separation will be there as the way you realize yourself. And maybe the oneness realization is maybe more pleasant. But this is as there as the other one is there. And you cannot have only one side of the medal. Both is there – the pleasant and the unpleasant, the comfort and the discomfort. And if you cannot be in the discomfort of separation what you are, you will not become it in the comfort of oneness. So, what to do.

Karl Renz: Where shall I go? I will be always That. How can I leave what I am? No way out. But that’s peace. If you look for peace – that’s peace, that’s shanti. Nothing else is shanti. This absolute no way out of being That what is. That is shanti.

Shanti – shanti – shanti. Because that means shanti of awareness, shanti of I-am-ness, and shanti of this world. There is only shanti. Shanti – shanti – shanti.

How many times did I tell that to you? Shanti. And you repeat it. And still… But that is the meaning of shanti. You are the peace. You are shanti. And you realize yourself as shanti. Out of shanti only shanti can come. Even the dream is shanti. All that what you see is all shanti, silence.

Shanti – shanti – shanti.

Karl Renz: I tried birth control.

Question: And?

Laughter.

Karl Renz: Yeah. It worked. You may say I realized that I am never born. So the birth control worked.

No, for me it’s the only… whatever… it’s like birth control. Being what you are which was already before two liquids meeting. That your existence is not coming in some body comes or some experience comes. To be That what is in spite of presence of a born body or anything. This is like birth control.

And being That what is already there before anything happens. That’s called birth control. Before even presence is you are. So, in that sense, for me that’s the only what counts for me. The rest – the resembling the person or doing something and finding purpose on that is all second hand tra-la-la.

It’s just like trying to keep your personal life little bit in check or something. Or finding thing. But that’s the main reason people actually maybe come to me or something. Just that I point only to That. And I don’t give any attention to anything else. As to That what they are, in nature, which is not depending on how the body is or the personality is. Acting or not. Or what one feels or doesn’t feel. It’s all too late. It’s all not my… It’s not my field. Absolutely not.

So if it all I am talking to That what is not here. Not now and not here.

Question: Yeah.

Karl Renz: Otherwise I am too lazy. Because otherwise it’s like Sisyphus work – you always try and then your personality comes back. And the healthy person or something. But then it breaks down again and this one. It’s all so fragile. The whole life of every personality and all whatever… is such fragile and temporary whatever. And totally fragile. It can break down any moment. By whatever decease. By corona. By viruses, by whatever. The health… Seventy years of buying food and healthy food and just little one little bum. Bang, gone. So control doesn’t work.

But the only thing what may work is being what you are. And that is birth control. That whatever you are is never born, never dies. This Eternal life of what you are. Which is… There is no one who can disturb That. That is the peace you are which is undisturbable by anything. The rest is OK but… We can talk about it and… but it’s not… We can have fun about it. It’s like an entertainment show. But that’s all. It is nothing serious about. Seriously. So if it all I talk about only that. Or point to that.

Question: You said that time appears in That which I am.

Karl Renz: Time is the realization of what I am. I realize myself in time.

Question: Relatively.

Karl Renz: Relatively, in the separation between the realizer and the realization. That’s already that what is a creator and that what is the creatures, so that what is the creating. So you can only realize yourself, Reality realizing itself as that difference. Or in that separation.

Question: And separation can exist without time?

Karl Renz: Time is just this whatever, that you can experience whatever you are in a different way of whatever possible way – you have to separate from yourself for the sage of experience.

Question: When you say: Time appearance in that which I am. Would that also be true of space?

Karl Renz: Time is space, is part of space.

pulling off the flesh

of some unknown god

the Abyss

of all archetypes

is revealed

plunging down down… . .

who has tasted this

radiant darkness

of the black sun

like the open mind

of the night sky

full of silent silver

trembling star

kisses of primordial purity

with all the love… . .

from??????don’t know anymore!

Karl Renz: It never comes and never goes. It doesn’t repeat itself. In coming it’s not coming and in going it’s not going. It’s a block of Existence which never is changing. So there is no coming and going in it. It’s like the frames. This frame of this moment. And you look at the other frame. But this frame you leave then, it’s not gone. It’s still there. The whole movie is finished.

It’s not something comes and goes. It doesn’t repeat itself. In coming it doesn’t come and in going it doesn’t go.

So, that’s called the famous silence is that there is no movement at all. Nothing ever happened means nothing is ever born, nothing is ever died. So in coming nothing is coming, because that what you think is coming it’s already there. So nothing gets born and nothing dies. So Eternal life is this what you experience. This is Eternal life.

It’s not like the Eternal life behind here, somewhere. In the prior. No. This what you is… This is Eternal life. There is only Eternal life. In Eternity. And this so called now is just the Eternal now which is never coming, never going. There is no power in it. Just natural. The nature of Life is Eternal. And this is Life.