Karl Renz: I said it infinite times already and it didn’t help. Thanks God. No, that’s the nature of meditation – you say what is needed but you know it’s futile. It will not make anything.

But that’s the pointer. There will be no difference afterwards or before. It doesn’t make any difference – that’s the beauty of it. It makes never difference. It has no impact. It is no effect. It is action itself. And that action itself doesn’t expect to be an effect or expect an effect from that action.

That – action. But it cannot be experienced. You are that action. And what you experience is only the effect of that action you are. And you cannot attain yourself by effects. They are not different from what you are. But they are not what you are. You are the action itself. And whatever you experience is reaction. You cannot become what you are by reaction.

So, the reaction is not different from the action, because there is only reaction because there is action. But the action is what you are. And the action cannot be experienced in reaction. So, there is only that what you are.

Question: So, we mistake the movement to be yourself. The movement in what we are – we are taking to be yourself.

Karl Renz: You take movement as Life. You take movement as Life. Because you are fascinated and hypnotized by your imagining that Life has to be alive to be a Life. That there is only Life when Life is alive. But Life is beyond all imaginary ideas. And never needs to be alive to be Life. That life who needs to be alive to be Life – it is fake. That’s all.

That’s why it’s called – Life is silence. It is never born.

Karl Renz: That is neither great nor small. That is the source of whatever you can imagine. This is the source which is imagining whatever can be imagined. But itself cannot be imagined. So, whatever comes out of that source is not the source. So, it’s not what you are. As you are that source which is imagining whatever can be imagined, but it cannot imagine itself. So, be that what can never be imagined in any sense, in any kind of dream.

Because whatever you can imagine is dream-like imagination. But that what is imagining it cannot be imagined. So, be That.

And this has no beginning and no end. So, there is no way out of that. You are that absolute source. And you cannot not be it. And because you are That – there is an infinite realization of what you are. And as that what you are has no beginning and no end – that realization of yours has no beginning and no end. So, there will be no better moment of any kind, for what you are. As there is nothing to gain or to lose in whatever kind of realization.

This is joy. Because there is no more or less joy. Because the next moment cannot be better then this moment. Because it cannot bring more as it is here and now. As there is no more or less for you. This is what you are. So, if you don’t enjoy yourself, there will be no other one who enjoys yourself. So, you better enjoy yourself.

But you will be enjoyed. As “me” you will be enjoyed anyway. Because what you are is joy itself. So, you cannot not enjoy yourself. As you even enjoy that non-enjoyment. There is only joy.

This is fun. Even when there is no fun – there is absolute fun. It was always fun. There is only fun. There is only that fantastic existence. You cannot not have fun.

Question: You are not even the seer?

Karl Renz: The seer is part of the seeing. But you are the absolute seer which is never part of the seeing. So, you are the absolute seer, but not the relative seer. You are not the experiencer, and you are not that experiencing, and you are not that what is experienced. So, you are not the “I”, you are not the”I am” as experiencing, and you are not that “world” what is experienced.

You are that absolute experiencer in which there is no one left. There is simply that Absolute where all that happens in. Like a dream-like realization. And the dream is already dreamed. So, that dream is effortlessness in itself. As the dream is. And in dream everything can happen. Everything seems to be real or not. But there is no effort even to dream. There is effortlessness in that dreaming. You are that absolute dreamer. And you never made any effort for that dream. There was never any action or none action on your part. So, you never created even something.

As you cannot… whatever… The dream cannot be changed. As you already dreamed it. So, you simply stepped from one frame of the dream to another frame of moment. Just enjoy it.

Question: What is the way to happiness?

Karl Renz: There is no way to it.

Question: So, what is happiness?

Karl Renz: What is happiness?

Question: Permanent.

Karl Renz: Yeah. That is what you are. But you will never attain it. There will never be anyone who is happy in it. Because that “me” which tries to be in happiness is only in unhappiness. The “me” exists only in unhappiness.

No, the nature of happiness is that what never needs to be happy – to be happy. So, the nature of joy is the joy that you don’t need to enjoy yourself. This absolute absence of any necessity at all to be or not to be. That is joy. That is the nature of knowledge. The knowledge who never needs to know anything to be what it is.

Or that ananda which is ananda by nature but not by anything else. So, being what you are is ananda in nature. Because being what you are never needs anything. And that is fact. And that is satis-faction. And not satis-fiction.

Now everyone lives in a satis-fiction. Because you live in the fiction that you have to be satisfied. You have to experience satisfaction to be what you are. No, you are already satisfaction. That you are – you don’t have to learn.

So, your absolute existence cannot be forgotten and cannot be remembered. Or cannot be learned by anything. And whatever you learn is ignorance. Just a big mountain of ignorance. And you can say – “Oh, I learned everything, I read all the scriptures, and know them inside out…” But if you don’t know yourself by being what you are – is all what? Misery.

Ownershit. My knowledge. How can knowledge be owned? What is that what you can own? A piece of shit, that’s all. Ownershit. All relative shit.

But chit cannot be owned. But chit is what you are. So, sat-chit-ananda. Three names for your nature. Which can never be owned by anyone. But you are That.

Question: It doesn’t help because how can I go prior to that? I can’t go prior, no one can go prior.

Karl Renz: No. You can go beyond. I promise you.

Question: I can?

Karl Renz: You can. How to go beyond? Be prior. Very easy to go beyond. Simply by being prior – you are beyond. Nothing is easier then to go beyond. As you are already prior to anything, you are already beyond. So, it is your nature – to be beyond and prior to whatever you can imagine.

So, how to go beyond is be prior. But not by understanding. Because you try to go beyond by understanding, by doing something.

Question: No, I can’t. That’s what I am saying.

Karl Renz: But I am showing you the absolute lazy way – just stay where you are and be what you are, and what you cannot not be – which is prior. And by that – being prior, you are beyond. So, it’s very easy. It’s the laziest.

Absolute not doing anything, by being what you are. But by any doing of transcending something, and understanding of going beyond – you stay here.

Question: But to be lazy – it’s also doing.

Karl Renz: No.

Question: It’s not doing?

Karl Renz: No. It’s an absolute not doing. I call it. Not the not doing. Yes, the absolute laziness. I always call it the absolute laziness, which is the absence of one who is or is not lazy.

Karl Renz: This is meditation without expectation. This is living without any results. Because nothing can be added to That what you are. And then it becomes pure sport or entertainment, or whatever. Whatever comes – it’s good enough. To be entertained by.

Question: So, that is like divine lila, divine play. Goes on and on.

Karl Renz: Yeah. Never started, never will end. So, out of a thinking mind becomes a working mind. That’s all. Without a thinker it becomes a working mind. Like a functioning of whatever. That’s all.

With the dropping of this “I”, or the seeing the I-thought as a phantom, and not giving… there is no thinker anymore. And without a thinker, there is no mind. So, there is a consciousness in action. And then you are this totality of functioning of consciousness, in whatever action. And then there is no doubter anymore. No questioner, when there is a question. So, there are questions and answers, but no questioner and no answerer. So, it’s a play of consciousness. Without any results, any expectation of any clarification. Because it can’t get more clear as it already is.

Karl Renz: If you go really back, it starts with the lingam, with awareness. That all starts. God became aware of Existence, to exist – and then it all starts. This is all the result of God became aware. The divine accident.

So, if you really want to know why – that’s because God became aware, started to dream, started to realize himself. And he has to realize himself, as he has to realize himself. He cannot decide how to realize himself. As he has no power of discrimination. He doesn’t even know what is good and bad. That is his absolute problem – he doesn’t know any good and bad. So, it needs one who knows good and bad, and what is cruel and what is not cruel. And then it’s too late anyway.

That what knows what is good and bad has no power. So, the dream object who has an idea, this mind, who calls something good and something bad, has no power at all. It’s already dreamed. And that what is dreaming him, has no discrimination. So, what to do.

So, that what is goodness doesn’t know what is goodness. And never know what is good and bad. And that what knows what is good and bad has no power. So, there is no way. That one has no reason to change something, because it doesn’t even know what is good and bad. And that what knows what is good and bad has absolutely no power. So, what to do.

So, from the personal point of you, you try to change something – humanity, you call these good and bad. Do your best. But you have no power. You see – since humanity is there, there is war. There is death and rape, and all what you… all bad. Not even the devil could invent what the human spirit is doing to each other. Crazy. I know.

But from the absolute point of you, there is not even humans who do something. So, what to do.

And I know it’s unbearable – being a human on this earth and seeing all what happens – make you sick/seek. From that point of you. If you look from that point of you of whatever, you think – will it ever change, this is really too much, unbearable, how can I get out of it. Yeah. It’s all too much.

And when you ask me – What to do? I would say – be what you cannot not be and That never had any problem.

But for that now what has problems with this life and all of that, that will always have problems. It’s never good enough. It will always try to make it his way.

So, that what you believe to be is a little fascist, who tries to make something better. It’s like little Hitler inside, who wants to save the world his way. Because he knows how it has to be. So, everyone who wakes up in the morning – little Hitler wakes up. Little fascist who knows better then God himself how it has to be.

Karl Renz: Yeah, it should be attractive. Totally attractive. So, I am a flower which doesn’t care if you would like me or not.

Question: Right. You are the flower in the middle of the forest, there just flowers and who sees it.

Karl Renz: Doesn’t expect being seen and appreciated as beautiful or not.

So, that is maybe the absolute intelligence who doesn’t care to be intelligent or not. No idea. Bla-bla-bla.

Question: When you say – there is only one handful of serious people who come to Tiru.

Karl Renz: Yeah.

Question: What do you mean by serious?

Karl Renz: Serious, it’s like the 63 Shiva lovers who are now the siddhas around Arunachala. They were serious. Because only Shiva counted for them. They gave only attention to Shiva and not to party. Not to whatever. Not a bhajans singing, or anything. No distraction. They were just one-pointed, only – Shiva. And then they become the 63, being like a cloud around Arunachala.

And that is very rare. Nisargadatta said, there is any given time maybe a handful in the whole world who are as one-pointed as that for themself. It’s rarest of the rarest.

Millions go to church. Millions pray for God. Millions whatever. And praying for some – the sun would go to the universe, some money for the new car and something. They are millions. They are very religious, but praying for business. But this one-pointed and this totally termination of suiciding. Suiciding what you are. Only one side. Only the sui-cide. Total suicide for what you are. It’s the rarest of the rare.

Before, there are many awakening satsangs and thing… It’s all like… whatever.

But they say – it needs this termination. You have to be terminated, and only one this counts. Nothing else counts. Day and night. 24/7. And not like 1 hour satsang. And maybe 2 hours bhajans singing. Or going to Ramana temple, or anything. Or giving attention for 10 minutes or 5 hours, and counting the minutes. It has to be 24/7 365. And nothing else counts. Day and night. Are you ready for that? That it happens. It happens when it happens.

And mostly it’s about pain. Only pain makes you that or the suffering. When it becomes so unbearable. That the only way out is That. To be What you are. It’s like want which is hurting permanently, 24/7. This longing inside which is unbearable. That already by grace is there. And not by wanting it.

Normally you want to cover it. You want to heal yourself. And all that healing and thing is actually contra productive. You have to leave it open. You have to make it more intense. If you go for it. And not healing your heart, and healing your childhood, and family constipation. And all of that. It’s just contra productive.

Just go for the one – for this longing. For this depression. This pressure. Under pressure. Totally under pressure. So. What to do.

Karl Renz: So, enjoy yourself, because this never had any beginning and never will have any end.

So, as I said, joy is your nature. Out of joy joy appears. Joy is all there is.

Question: Can we choose joy?

Karl Renz: Choose?

Question: Can we redirect yourself? Like – this is more joyful.

Karl Renz: Yeah, even that is part of joy. Even more joy cannot bring you more joy. And less joy – not less. But there is an imaginary experience of more joy and less joy. But by that more joy you will not become more joy, and by less joy you will not become less joy. Existence experiencing itself by more existence and less existence. But experiencing by more existence, it doesn’t become more. And by less existence – not less.

So, the quality of what you are has nothing to gain. There is an experience of more and less. That’s all. But by more or less there is… what? Nothing to gain or to lose. But you cannot… There is no choice in it.

It’s like the choicelessness creates the chooser, a choosing, what can be chosen. But by whatever the chooser is choosing, and whatever is chosen, choicelessness cannot be reached. But choicelessness is always the goal for whatever you try to do. So, whatever you wish for is wishlessness. Because that is ananda or happiness. The absence of one who needs or doesn’t need anything. Of one who is happy or unhappy – that is happiness itself.

But out of that what is happiness itself, happy or unhappy one is rising. So, it’s a rising and disappearing all the time. Of unhappy or happy one. Sometimes happy, sometimes unhappy. But already the happy or unhappy one coming out of that what is happiness. So, even the unhappiness is happiness. Existence. And the nature of Existence is happiness. And what can happen. In all that happenings. Only happiness experiencing happiness. And even in unhappiness. So, even the unhappy or happy one is in his nature – happiness. Happy. Happy.