Ananda

Question: But there must be a pleasure that celibacy must bring…

Karl Renz: No, it’s like, you cannot compare the pleasure of the absence of one who has pleasure or pain. You cannot imagine the enjoyment of silence which is the absence of one who knows pain or pleasure. So that is why they call it ananda or happiness itself which is the absolute absence of one who knows pleasure or pain. Or defines it.

So the absence of one, this definer who defines pleasure or pain is called the absolute absence of the presence of one who knows or doesn’t know what is pain or pleasure or even existence. And this absolute absence is like silence. And that silence is pleasure itself which doesn’t know pleasure. It doesn’t know itself but it is pleasure, it is joy, it is sex. Whatever you call it. But it doesn’t have to have something to be what it is.

So it’s a pleasure of absolute independency of any imaginary sensational experience of sex, of pleasure, of pain, of peace, of freedom, of all what you can imagine.