Karl Renz: When you are what you are. It’s all fantastic. It’s all fantasy. But when you are part of the fantasy, you cannot find it fantastic. You are what you are, or not. There is no bridge. There is no little bit being what you are.
When you are what you are, what you cannot not be – fantastic. When you are little bit not what you are – you are already out of it. You are it, or not. There is no between. No between. There is no bridge to anything. And there is no 20%. There is no percentages of anything. Even 100% is not enough.
Question: And where is the gap if there is no bridge?
Karl Renz: There is no gap. That’s the problem. No gap. If there would be a gap, there could be a bridge. First find a gap and then we can maybe make a bridge. But not finding a gap, maybe – then OK. Who needs the bridge?
Question: So, Karl, when you are what you are, there is no suffering?
Karl Renz: Every night when you are without any whatever experience, you are. I just call it the absolute absence of any presence of any whatever you can imagine. Just being what is not an imagination.
Just being what is not an imagination. Everything else is a mirage. It’s like a something, you don’t know. Mirage. It’s like in a desert, you see there is like a lake, but it’s just a mirage. It’s just a light flickering like something.
Question: Illusion.
Karl Renz: Yeah, call it whatever.
Question: Some call it dream, illusion.
Karl Renz: The dream is only that you think you can escape what you are. That’s the dream. The rest – I don’t know what it is.
Question: And what about the suffering which is there. Are you still suffering?
Karl Renz: Absolutely. How can I not suffer about myself. But do I mind?
Question: That’s it. Is there any issue in this?
Karl Renz: Yes, sometimes it is an issue. But does it make me less if there is an issue?
Question: Yes, but this is the point.
Karl Renz: No, but I am not… I don’t get less by anything. But that is the treasure I am talking.
Question: I don’t mind.
Karl Renz: Yes, but not minding is too much minding for me. Minding or not minding. Mind or no mind – never mind.
No, there is no necessity of not minding, or anything. Anything can go on. As it was and will be. Or not. If the whole universe will now drop, gone – I would still be what I am. There is no necessity of any presence even. So, why is there necessity that the presence is changing, for what? It will always be unavoidable. That’s all.
But What you are is not depending on anything. That moksha cannot be given. And cannot be taken from you. That is the freedom you are. But That doesn’t know any freedom. And doesn’t need freedom to be what it is – that’s freedom.
That what needs freedom to be, not minding or something – I fuck it all. That is still depending on fuck it all. I have no idea about fuck it all or fuck nothing.
But it’s a joke like. You are the omnipotence itself and you experience yourself impotent. And you cannot otherwise. You are the almighty and you have no power. Fantastic. I like it so much. You are that what is you cannot imagine. How almighty you are. Because by your imagination all of that is. But then you complain that you have no power. It is a permanent joke. You cannot change what is already imagined by you. You are totally impotent of changing call it dream, call it anything. Absolute impotent. But you are omnipotence itself, but you are totally impotent to change yourself. Fantastic. Crazy.