Question: So there is nothing to be done here. Because either that will happen or something else will happen anyway. Like it all happening.

Karl Renz: You can say – there is an energy like a cluster of energetic informations who try to keep their form. That is like – this cup is like a cluster of energy who builds this cup like an information system, and there is resistance to break. But there will be an outside event which breaks the cup. That’s all. But the cup cannot be prepared for that. That is the same with the cluster. Information system of like a cup who tries to keep this form. Like an ego who keeps this form of information system as I. This is like an identification – “me”. Conglomeration of I-s and ideas.

And then comes the higher, like they call it grace which breaks that cup. So there has to be like another up, if you can call it higher force, a bigger force who breaks that system. But… And that is called like the cup can be put this head in the tiger’s mouth forever – nothing will happen. So you are putting it into your tiger’s mouth or not, if the tiger is not awake, nothing happens. But when the tiger wakes up, this is in spite of the cup, in spite of the cluster of ideas, which is cosmic consciousness like Shiva. Then in spite of your preparation it breaks you or drops you, whatever you like to call it. So it’s in spite of what the cup or an information system has done before.

So it may happen or not. But as long as that whatever the cup is trying to do or the ego system is trying to survive.

Even by meditating you try to avoid that void which breaks you. Because in the void there is no cluster possible, there is no information system of any kind of me possible. Because void means simply there is no second. And without a second there is no cluster. A cluster is only when there is a second, there is two. Otherwise there is no cluster. And a cluster like an ego needs a second. It needs that. Without that it cannot exist.

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Question: In the Tao the last sentence is “everyday you don’t make the meditation is one day you lost”.

Karl Renz: Absolutely and I agree.

Question: What is this?

Karl Renz: I tell you, absolutely – any moment without meditation is a lost moment. How not to meditate? Your bloody nature is meditation. That’s all. And when there is a moment, there is a meditator. And any moment there is a meditator, there is one moment lost. I am absolutely agree with the Tao.

No, that is what Ramana called your natural state which is meditation. When you are active, when you are awake – meditation is what you are.

Question: So what you do?

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Karl Renz: I would say if it hits you, you may laugh – Oh, it’s me, ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. But it’s not like a sense of humor, it’s simply like you understand the joke or not.

Question: Yeah.

Karl Renz: But you are the joker who understanding that you are the joker, joking and out of that joker all the jokes are coming.

Question: Yeah.

Karl Renz: That is called the absolute sense of humor.

Question: So, what is this absolute sense of humor?

Karl Renz: That’s you may call the sense of humor of Shiva. By building everything and in one buff – having fun of building it up and destroying this, without any care.

Question: But it’s just another thought. It’s just an experience or something.

Karl Renz: I tell you, this is uninterrupted. The sense of humor of Existence is never-never. This is silence. There is a sense of humor which is happiness. That what is humor which has no humor. So it’s always like… So even in suffering, so called suffering experience, there is a background – always that enjoyer, the absolute enjoyment even of that: “Look, there is one who is suffering like. If you pronounce it. Oh, he suffers really deep today.”

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Karl Renz: Coming back to the monasteries yesterday. I like them all. I love them. Thanks God, nothing is in it. There is nothing to expect from them. They are just like empty cathedrals of christianity or anything. And whatever. And thanks God never ever there was anyone who needed them. Just a play of That. They are not more special then sitting here in this whatever, or somewhere else in a cave, or whatever. And for that I love them. As no one needs them.

Question: So why you make a talk instead of sitting here.

Karl Renz: For that. For that. That you may see they are as they are. But thanks God, there is nothing to offer. Enjoy them. Enjoy them as the next sip of coffee. Enjoy them as the next breathing in and out. Enjoy That what you are. And that is not something special. For that you see it. And then you see it’s not special. And then the next sip of coffee is the same quality of experiencing of what you are. Moment by moment, without any interruption. But any idea that you have to gain something in a special circumstance, make yourself a special seeking bustard who thinks in a special circumstance he can become and getting more what he is. It’s called an artist.

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Question: But there must be a pleasure that celibacy must bring…

Karl Renz: No, it’s like, you cannot compare the pleasure of the absence of one who has pleasure or pain. You cannot imagine the enjoyment of silence which is the absence of one who knows pain or pleasure. So that is why they call it ananda or happiness itself which is the absolute absence of one who knows pleasure or pain. Or defines it.

So the absence of one, this definer who defines pleasure or pain is called the absolute absence of the presence of one who knows or doesn’t know what is pain or pleasure or even existence. And this absolute absence is like silence. And that silence is pleasure itself which doesn’t know pleasure. It doesn’t know itself but it is pleasure, it is joy, it is sex. Whatever you call it. But it doesn’t have to have something to be what it is.

So it’s a pleasure of absolute independency of any imaginary sensational experience of sex, of pleasure, of pain, of peace, of freedom, of all what you can imagine.