Whatever comes next

Karl Renz: So I am talking to the master. And not to anyone needs something. And for me, you are complete as you are. You cannot get more or less as you are. And not any relative knowledge or any insight, anything can ever add anything to what you are. But nothing can be taken away from you too. That comes together. So you cannot get less. And as you are the Absolute complete, this is what you are. You cannot escape yourself. You will always realize yourself in the next moment. In the Presence.

So even the Presence you cannot escape, as the Absence. It’s like two faces of what you are. The Presence face and the Absence face. But what you are has no face. And no concept of all. So how can I know that? So I turned it around – how can I not know that? How can I not be? Maybe you tried all, what you can do, not to be. But you failed. As you are even in not-being you are. Imagine.

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Unusual behavior of Swamiji

ABOUT SRI SHESHADRI SWAMIGAL, from memories

The ways of the Siddhas are always a mystery. Our Sheshadri Swami was no exception. Many of his actions and behavior were out of the normal and unexplainable, ununderstandable. Anyone seeing him do such things would brand him as a mad man. Maybe he was seeing so many astral beings that could not be seen by us and he was signaling them or conversing or playing with them.

He was always active. Even when he was sitting comfortably his hands would be active, moving things or playing with them. While sitting he would rub his palms or backside of the hands repeatedly and close his eyes with his palms. He would keep his hands at his waist and go front and back as though he doing a dance routine or hula hoop.

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The happiness you are is not depending on how this movie is played

Karl Renz: It’s a total demand of Totality. And you cannot resist.

Question: That’s nice.

Karl Renz: Yeah. That’s the way it is. It’s peace. It’s always the total demand of Totality, that the next moment has to be as the next moment already is. And whatever gives you the energy which can lift your eyelid – it’s the same energy who is make the world turn. So there is no separation in it. It’s just Totality living itself in all these differences. And there is no one who is drawn to something. It’s just moment by moment Life living itself in that way.

And that’s there is actually, maybe if you are honest, no place of judgement, judging it. Just as it is. Or already is. And because of that, this has to be whatever. The movie is shot and nothing has to be and can be changed in it. So just you can relax totally, absolute relax and just be witness of your own movie which is already finished.

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It’s called alco-holy

Karl Renz: Ok. So where was I? Alcohol. Because with alcohol you got alcoholistic. It’s called alco-holy. Because when you drink enough – you feel holy. It’s about forgiveness. Because when you are drunk, you forgive everything to yourself, and everyone.

Question: It’s the big forgetness, and the lots of memory which is not the same.

Karl Renz: Yeah, I wish you did, forgetfulness. Forget-fullness. Or I would say – don’t forget fullness.

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The two faces of Shiva

Karl Renz: But this is a joy. This is a joy that you cannot choose. The choicelessness of being. Things happen in spite of your liking it or not. And you have to enjoy yourself in spite liking it or not. This is a joy that everything already happened. And there is no way of changing anything. So the nature of peace and joy is not different. That why in India they call it Sat Chit Ananda. Three names for the Self. The Self, Chit means knowledge, and Ananda is happiness or joy. But they are not belonged together. So the Self doesn’t need to know itself to be happy.

Question: So it’s not an emotion?

Karl Renz: No.

Question: This is my question.

Karl Renz: Yeah, emotions come. It’s motion. It’s movement. It’s something. It’s an imaginary body chemical reaction, you can say. But that’s not joy. Joy is in spite of events. In spite of the chemical reaction in your brain. In spite of your kid does what you want or something. Or the world is as you like it. The joy, which needs an environment, is a depending one. And it’s not worth talking about.

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I found myself free unexpectedly

Question: You make all these extraordinary statements about yourself. What makes you say those things? What do you mean by saying that you are beyond space and time?

Nisargadatta Maharaj: You ask and the answer comes. I watch myself – I watch the answer and see no contradiction. It is clear to me that I am telling you the truth. It is all very simple. Only you must trust me that I mean what I say, that I am quite serious. As I told you already, my Guru showed me my true nature and the true nature of the world. Having realized that I am one with, and yet beyond the world, I became free from all desire and fear. I did not reason out that I should be free – I found myself free unexpectedly, without the least effort.

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Bengali Mataji

ABOUT ANANDAMAYI MA, from memories of Swami Mangalananda

In 1929, a National Congress of Philosophers was held in Dhaka. Many of the participants in this gathering had heard the tales of the young Bengali Mataji and came to see her. They were told that she was virtually uneducated and very simple. The assembled group plied her with many complicated philosophical questions from the scriptures. To their amazement, Ma, sitting serenely and radiantly before them, answered every one of their queries without a moment’s hesitation. The depth and profundity of her replies so impressed them, that in the end they folded their hands and told her, “We have studied dry scriptures. But, we now see before us, a living embodiment of all that is contained in our holy books of wisdom.”

Whoever claims to be a jnany, watch out

Question: But in case of a sage, in case of a jnany, he also lives in the world. So at times he is in that state where the world exists or not – doesn’t really matter for him. But the moment he starts interacting the world, as you said, hell might be starting even for a sage.

Karl Renz: That’s why I say – there is no way out. Even a jnany has to interact. So hell doesn’t stop. But what can stop is like that tendency of avoidance can stop. That is called a jnany. Only the tendency stops and not by trying to stop it. It stops when it stops. And in case of a jnany it stops before the body dies. Because in the moment the body dies and all of that, for sure all the tendencies go. And in the case of a jnany or saint it stops before. That’s all. So they worn out. The tendencies worn out. And then you call it a jnany. Because then there is no tendency of avoidance, and that is you call peaceful.

Or even the tendency of the tendency to avoid stops. So even there can be a tendency of avoidance but there is no tendency to stop the tendency. That’s more the case.

Question: So avoidance of… trying to avoid the unpleasantness. So natural thing.

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Me. My reality. My chair.

Karl Renz: That’s a definition of Reality – it cannot be sometimes and sometimes not. Is it? The same as this presence.

Question: The idea of a chair is something.

Karl Renz: It’s temporary.

Question: The idea of a chair?

Karl Renz:  Yeah. If no one would have told you that there is a chair, you would not even know a chair. You would not call it a chair. It’s a hearsay. If you would not know the sun, you would not even know. If there would be no word for it, you would not know it, you would not even see it. It’s all conditioned. Who told you – this is a hand? If you would not know this is your body, you… If your mother would not have told you when you are three years old – “this is your body”, this would not be even your body. It’s hearsay. This “mine”, this “me”. It’s just a conditioning. And will be gone one day.

And who needs evidence anyway? Question. Me. My reality. My chair. I can feel it. My body. So the question is Who am I? And who needs evidence that he exists? Who doubts, who needs always confirmation that he exists? Me. Me. Me.

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That nonsense is quite not so bad

Karl Renz: I don’t mind to talk. By that you are just can be quiet – it’s fine. So everyone has this experience by sitting down and wanting to be quiet, and everything is quiet. May not work so well. So but talking you to death works most often. For many, not for everyone.

Question: So if I have a question and ask. You could say what is a nonsense.

Karl Renz: No, I could not. I never know what I answer. It’s always like a unique thing. There is no standard.

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