Nobody has any idea of what it means

Question: Do you feel any emotions?

Karl Renz: I feel everything! I feel the Whole, I feel all aggressions, all the things you said, people attacking me, all this energy that unfolds, but what to do? But this, I could not take it on me, it just comes and goes. You cannot bear this compassion, you cannot take it personally, it consumes you. In fact, I take it absolutely personally, in this way it doesn’t make any problem. Otherwise, if you don’t have any armour, you go straight to the mental hospital. Nobody has any idea of what it means.

So there are more sensations than I could imagine. Actually, it is not always easy for this body. Maybe without this breakthrough, without this energetic preparation of the cells, the body couldn’t bear it. So with all the things that occurred in the 60’s, these energetic teachings, these dreams in the night, this shamanism, these electric-shocks, consciousness was preparing the tool, so it’s ok…

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An infinite potato

Question: A moment ago, as I was peeling potatoes, my mind calmed down and I was happy. But we cannot spend our life peeling potatoes!

Karl Renz: Nothing is easier than That. Being what you are doesn’t require anything, and being what you are is simply like peeling a potato, an infinite potato…

But if you are peeling potatoes and want to enjoy the fruits of your labour, it is too much! If you are simply peeling them, it is meditation: there is no expectation, no intention to make French fries afterwards…

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What-you-cannot-not-be

Question: So, in you there’s a fulfillment experience that is not depending on anyone or anything?

Karl Renz: No. I’m absolutely happy that I don’t have to be happy to be what I am. I absolutely enjoy that I don’t have to enjoy to be what I am. I don’t need joy, that is the nature of joy. Whatever peace can be experienced – peace-off. To be that what never needs any peace to be what-it-is. So, peace-off or joy-off or do whatever, consciousness.

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Are you less now?

Karl Renz: In the early times of Zen monasteries in Japan, everything could be done without any consequences. There was a Zen master and a disciple who said “I am ready, master. Do whatever you like with me. I want to get enlightened, I accept everything. I am the most ready and no one was ever as ready as me.” The master calls him and asks “Would you give your little finger for That?” The disciple starts crying “My finger?” The master chops his little finger off. The master asks him “Are you less now?” Then he cuts his whole hand. The disciple cries and master asks him “Are you less now?” Then he cuts his whole arm and asks “Are you less now?” Then he chops his whole head andĀ asks “Are you less now?” And there was no answer and that’s what-you-are. [Laughter]

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