Karl Renz: It seems like, that is like not a taste of it, but just – then you know what is deep-deep sleep in that instant. Because this is not different. Because that what-you-cannot-not-be is in deep-deep sleep as now. Uninterrupted. There is no coming and going in it. You were, you are and you will be That, which is with and without. And then for one little instant you are totally without. You are that what is omnipresence which is no present.
It’s an omnipresence what doesn’t need to be present to be the omnipresence. But actually I would call it omni-pre-sense. It’s not a presence, is a pre-sense. It’s not an innocence, is in-no-sense.
Question: But in deep-deep sleep there is no awareness.
Karl Renz: That’s why I take everything away here. And not in deep-deep sleep. That you may get this… Actually Ramana call this initiation or the liting of the fire of what you are. Because just one instant is enough to lit that fire. If it has to happen. Because you are trying to lit the fire of that what is totally coolness. The coolest fire you cannot experience. Because then you are fire. But then being fire there is no experience of fire. There is no experiencer of fire. You are just That. You can say – there is the coolest of the coolness. You are absolutely cool. So be cool, baby.
Question: But in an awaken state?
Karl Renz: There is no awaken state. In that moment of this what-you-cannot-not-be there is no awaken state. There is no idea of awaken, being aware or not aware, or conscience or anything. There is no space for it. It comes always later in again. But there is not even now. There is neither time or no time.
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