Karl Renz: This presence has to stay in presence. And that what is absence has to be absence. But what you are is neither presence or absence. Isn’t it fantastic? You are in the presence and you are in the absence. You are absolutely independent of whatever you can imagine. But still you have to experience the presence, you cannot stop it. Uncontrollable. So what to do?
Question: Why this body can commit the suicide?
Karl Renz: No, I think for me the only suicide is the moment you identified with the body, then you committed suicide. You kill your infinite self by believing in your temporary limited body. That is self-suicide. People who kill the body – that’s not suicide. That is just getting rid of something. But the real suicide is that you believe that you are born. That is suicide. Believing that you are something what is born. That is suicide. By that you kill yourself. If that is your reality – to be born, having a body, having a life which has beginning and end. That’s the real suicide. By that you kill yourself. And any moment that is your reality, you are dead. You die into some cemetery of a tombstone who is already dead. So whatever life who believes to be born is dead.
And then this whatever suicide that happens to the body, what does it mean? Nothing. Of course is too much. And any moment you identify with the body, you have a tendency and a longing to get out of it. But the more you want to get out of it, you make it real. The trap is perfect. So what to do.
Question: I still didn’t get why suicide is not a solution?
Karl Renz: Yeah, killing an imagination is not a killing. Because that what you can kill – the body is already dead. Show me anything what is alive. The whole scientific world wanted to find energy, life. They cannot find it. They can just find some atoms, particles, waves, moving, something. What can be killed? Can you kill something what is not even there? If you really look at into it, it doesn’t exist. Or does it? Tell me. The whole scientific world tells you – it’s maybe or it’s not. The whole quantum physics says you – maybe there is a body, maybe not. So why should I care about what is maybe there, maybe not. And someone maybe killed something what is maybe was or maybe was not there. And who is judging that one who didn’t do anything. I have no idea.